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There is a new exchange between myself and Dr. Robert M. Price. You can view it on You tube at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfXhUJ2fdwE Robert has drawn a different conclusion about the CM theory than the one he presented in our first discussion, a conclusion that is important to listen to.
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8/30/2019 03:24:54 am
This a wonderful exchange that shows the 180 degree turnabout in Dr. Price's understanding/appreciation of CM. I was , in fact, somewhat taken aback/shocked at Dr. Price's initial take on CM - a not so scholarly (ridiculing) take on what is obvious evidence of the typological parallels and their implications. His is a brave and courageous turnaround that await all who have "eyes to see, and ears to hear".
Laurence Crossen
12/21/2019 04:14:42 pm
Hi Joseph Atwill. The new book on the thesis and Price's turn around are good news. Just before Carrier's scandal I spoke with him on his blog saying I thought that, at bottom, you were correct because it could only be Philo and Josephus who could account for the exceptionally high quality of the New Testament writings. He often acknowledges this high quality. His lame reply was that I do realize, don't I, that there were many other writers no longer extant. It is also important to recognize the very unscrupulous and severe nature of some of his comments about you and your ideas, as he strove to distance his books from yours. I would add that the most important contributions towards Hellenizing the Jews must have been those of Philo and Josephus. Also, the influence of Stoicism on the New Testament is considerable as in the book: "Stoicism in Early Christianity by Tuomas Rasimus, Troels Engberg-Pedersen
Laurence Crossen
12/21/2019 04:19:40 pm
Also noteworthy in this context is that the teaching of Jesus to turn the other cheek is not so much a teaching of non-violence, as a teaching against taking offense. The ancient Romans would slap a person on the face when taking offense. This teaching is given by Seneca. It is very pertinent in the present outrage and offense/victim culture where so many people have forgotten the common sense that it is stupid and foolish to take offense easily.
Laurence Crossen
12/21/2019 04:22:37 pm
This is pertinent to Titus' efforts to subdue the rebel Jews who would have been motivated by offense culture.
Joe Atwill
12/22/2019 08:32:19 am
Hi Laurence,
Laurence Crossen
12/22/2019 09:28:12 am
Have you any plans to revise and update your book?
tony bonn
2/11/2020 06:36:47 pm
Any signs of the book prophesied in Caesar's Messiah about the New Testament and Domitian coming to fruition?
Joe Atwill
2/11/2020 06:46:51 pm
I cover Domitian in my book Shakespeare's Secret Messiah. Leave a Reply. |
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